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Feb 8, 2015 2:12 PM CST
Name: greene
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I agree , very interesting, but the information is 'invisible' to anyone searching for advice about Leaf Cutter Ants.
@texaskitty111, why not take a few minutes to start a thread for Leaf Cutter Ants and copy/paste your previous posts to the new thread. Thumbs up
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Feb 8, 2015 2:22 PM CST
Name: tk
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Done! I put it under the pests and diseases forum
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Feb 8, 2015 3:41 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
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Feb 11, 2015 10:41 PM CST
Name: Elfrieda
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Ken is right; lots of people use cinnamon and I'm one of them. Used as a repellant I sprinkle on top of the pot and some around the base. The ants don't like it. It won't kill them but they do move on. This spice also has ant-bacterial properties and a lot of orchid growers use it to sprinkle on wounds or when they're pruning orchids, especially. Since I like the smell I don't mind flinging it around when so inclined (I buy the cheap $1.00 bottles from the Dollar Store for this purpose).
I've been telling people for years and years to keep a little spritz bottle handy, filled with white vinegar; something you can carry with you out in the garden. I used to develop nasty, itchy and painful postules from ant bites years ago and someone told me about the white vinegar. If applied early enough the postules never develop. We have a lot of ants in Florida !
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Feb 14, 2015 6:50 AM CST
Name: Laura
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I heard that soda, the kind you use in mixed drinks, would get rid of fireants. I bought a couple bottles and pourediton some infestations in my raised bed. The ants are gone! Don't know if they moved or died. But, they are gone. Hurray!
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Feb 14, 2015 11:33 AM CST
Name: Elaine
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The trouble with stuff that just drives the ants away instead of killing them is that they often will split up and form new nests, so where you had only one mound before, you will find two or three new mounds somewhere else in a month or two. It's called 'budding' and they actually elect a new queen for each new nest and make lots more fire ants.

Fire ants are not native in most places in the US. I am opposed to outright killing most insects but fire ants? They need to die! The ant baits like Amdro that work well on them do not poison any other insects or animals, so as long as you're using a specific bait, not using toxic sprays and blanket insecticides to nuke your whole yard, it's a pretty good way to get rid of just one targeted insect.
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Feb 28, 2015 5:06 AM CST

Outside of getting your whole neighborhood's contiguous block, street, etc., involved in fireant eradication all at the same time, (this was advice from a pest control company), fireants are resilient pests and as other posters have stated, they'll just divide and conquer once again......but for immediate relief I can certainly offer what helps me............ants (including fireants) HATE the smell of cloves......I actually had the fireant varmints in my mailbox once and placed a cottonball soaked in clove oil.....in just 24 hours they fled for the hills (probably my next door neighbor--sorry Jimmy) but they were GONE-GONE and 2 years later have not been back! I would suggest a cotton ball soaked in clove oil placed in your pot is definitely worth an organic try.....it certainly isn't going to hurt your plant.......I've also soaked anthills with a few drops of clove oil and they disappear, too..........the clove oil I buy is available at our local HEB as well online......it's also good for toothaches and gum irritations.....as well as breath freshener.....who would have thought??? Fresh breath-dead ants!!! Hilarious!
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Feb 28, 2015 6:14 AM CST
Name: Arlene
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@cleoxpatria what is HEB? I like the idea of using clove oil!
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Feb 28, 2015 8:06 AM CST
Name: greene
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HEB is the name of a grocery store chain based in Texas.

Welcome! and thank you cleoxpatria.
I like the clove oil idea and will give it a try. I find the clove oil, which is in a teeny-tiny bottle, behind the pharmacy counter at Walmart.
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Feb 28, 2015 10:38 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
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Clove oil is an ancient numbing agent, and as mentioned, has many good uses. But only use it as a temporary fix for infections like toothaches and gum irritations. If the infections themselves are not addressed, there will be dire consequences!
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Feb 28, 2015 11:27 AM CST
Name: Beverly
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For fire ants in containers, i flood them out with water. I have the hose in one hand and a spray bottle in the other hand that is filled with a mix of soapy water and about 15 drops of cinnamon oil. The ants start running out and down the container side and as they do, i spray them with the soapy mixture. This will kill them but not always immediately (it may take a few minutes for them to die), I like the idea of clove oil and think i will start to add some to my mix.
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Feb 28, 2015 12:52 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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You are so right, Rick. I sorta know. I'm a retired dentist. Sticking tongue out

I prefer Orthene Fire Ant Killer. It kills everything potted/mounted within a couple of hours and kills the mound (landscape) overnight. I have never seen a plant harmed by the Orthene.
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Feb 28, 2015 2:29 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
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And it smells so dreadful animals leave it alone.
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Feb 28, 2015 3:38 PM CST
Name: Elaine
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That's really the problem with Orthene, though Ken. It kills everything. If beneficial insects come in contact with it they die too. It lies around and isn't consumed by the targeted insect, in this case the fire ants.

So if you 'nuke' an area of your garden and kill off the beneficials like ladybugs or lacewings along with the fire ants, then you have more insect problems going forward that the beneficials were maybe keeping under control before.

Then you need to use more and more stuff like Orthene. It's a self-perpetuating problem that sure is profitable for the Ortho people.
Elaine

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Feb 28, 2015 3:48 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
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I use very, very little Orthene, Elaine. Perhaps a tbl. spread over a mound. The next morning, I simply hose the mound, and the Orthene seeps into the ground. That's the same thing I do when I put a pinch on some of my mounted stags, I just hose them off. Those aren't fire ants there, they are what I call "sugar-ants". For some reason, these tiny, black, non-stinging ants just love to make a home in my staghorns while they hang in/on my trees during the spring/summer months. I cannot imagine my use of Orthene harms any other insect. I wish it would kill those white grubs when I hose the mound off, but I have a feeling it doesn't faze them.
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Feb 28, 2015 4:59 PM CST
Name: tk
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I think the sugar ants sting/bite in tx also. All the ants bite. The ladybugs bite too.
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Feb 28, 2015 5:03 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
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I have had these tiny, black ants crawling all over my hands and arms and have never been bitten, or IF bitten, I never knew it. Now, fire ants are a whole other matter. When I get a bite from one of those it really hurts and seems to take forever to fully heal.
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Feb 28, 2015 5:13 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
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In the colder parts of the country, only the imported Asian Lady bugs bite. The native ones don't.

I know you have Asian Lady bugs in Texas that bite, but I don't know if your native ones do.
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Feb 28, 2015 5:15 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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I like to use a sweet bait for the little sugar ants. Terro, or any of the other sweet baits work great, and again, are collected by the ants, take the bait back to the queen and really kill the whole nest. You can't be sure that you kill the queen when you treat a mound or any ant nest with Orthene. You may just be killing the workers and they will move. With a bait, you know for sure the whole nest is kaput when you watch it for a minute and see no more ants.

Our extension entomologist used to recommend diluting the sweet bait by at least half, as well, so it's very economical. It doesn't work for fire ants though, sadly.
Elaine

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Feb 28, 2015 7:25 PM CST
Name: Donna King
Selmer, TN (Southern West TN) (Zone 7b)
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Guys, I have to say, I hate a fire ant with a passion. They are a blight on on the face of the earth. I know y'all will think I'm awful, but before gas got so high, the best way I had found to get rid of the little devils was to take a gallon of gasoline and a long sharp stick. I'd pour it down the ant hill jobbing the hill as deeply as I could while pouring. The gas killed them as they boiled up. Jobbing deeply with the stick let the gas sink deeply into the best. When all gas was poured into the nest, I'd stand way back, wait a few minutes then light a chunk of wood or something that I could keep lit, and chunk it on that anthill. Boom! It would poof up, then it would burn an hour or more, but no more ants there, and it got them all. Of course, I couldn't do this near my plants or the house. But I despise them!
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