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May 21, 2016 8:31 AM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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Sorry Angela, cross posted. Has it been raining? Its a great sdlg. Sometimes they just take a bit to settle in.
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May 21, 2016 8:41 AM CST
Name: Barbalee
Amarillo, TX (Zone 6b)
Heavens to Betsy, and to Pam! That color changing deal has me mind-boggled! I'm all ears!
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May 21, 2016 8:55 AM CST
Name: Angela
Jacksonville, NC (Zone 8a)
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gardenglory said:Sorry Angela, cross posted. Has it been raining? Its a great sdlg. Sometimes they just take a bit to settle in.


That's okay about the cross posting..I'm sorry too. Your daylily seedling is pretty. I like the last picture the best. Hope it stays like that. How many years would one watch a daylily before registering, if that's your goal, if it keeps changing? Unbelievable how different each year was for it.

Yes, it's been raining two days straight here. *Blush*
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May 21, 2016 9:04 AM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Angela - it could be thrip (insect) damage. I have that problem sometimes and have to treat my early daylily leaves. Thrips seem to be around areas where there is plant debris or mulch.

I love the color changing blooms .... Very interesting and lovely! I am always amazed at what hybridizers get just doing random crosses. I've been doing some unusual crosses with my daylilies just to see what kind of surprise I can get. I'm sometimes totally amazed at what two totally different parents can create. Such fun!!!

Loving this thread! Probably my favorite thread on this forum currently. Lovey dubby
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May 21, 2016 9:37 AM CST
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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At dusk last night, while I was poking around on the bloom of the newest seedling to see how it held up, I saw a rebloom scape already up and growing. Of the 5 seedlings that have bloomed, this is the 2nd one to send up an instant rebloom scape. They have obviously produced these scapes before the first bloom on the initial scape bloomed. On seedlings, is that an indication of a feature they might have if they are grown on as plants? I'm not really likely to keep either one, but bloom production is definitely a plus. I wasn't expecting this. These were just single fans as recently as February and March. Now they have multiple fans and rebloom Blinking .
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May 21, 2016 11:34 AM CST
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
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That's a pretty dramatic change in that seedling, Pam, from an orange-y red to a red bitone or bicolor.

Donald, it sounds like you have some vigorous seedlings there. The question is, is this truly instant rebloom, given that you also now (quickly) have multiple fans? I'm not trying to be a wet blanket here; I thought I had instant rebloom on one seedling, but that must have been just before it produced a 2nd fan; I have never seen instant rebloom on that seedling since. (I vaguely recall someone either writing in the journal about this, or else posting online. (S)he had pictures to illustrate the difference between "this is an instant rebloom scape" and "this looks like instant rebloom, but it's not, because it's from a new fan you just don't see yet". Iirc the diffference was where the scape emerged relative to the fan. I confess that I'm confused by it all. Confused ) At any rate, congrats on your seedlings, and keep a close watch on them; if they do have instant rebloom, you will want to keep that trait (and maybe cross your seedlings to something fancier or better in other traits, since it sounds like you don't care for them much, otherwise).
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May 22, 2016 5:23 AM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
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Angela your seedling should improve once the weather improves if its not insect damage.
Another one, I haven't seen that much change in any daylily, you may have something Pam.
A couple of sibs
SEEDLING 132 X WAVES OF JOY 8"
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Same as above.
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May 22, 2016 2:19 PM CST
Name: Betty
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Love that one, Fred! Thumbs up
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May 22, 2016 4:12 PM CST
Name: Stan
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I agree

Fred that has me Drooling ing, some one hand me a towel! Rolling on the floor laughing
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May 22, 2016 4:28 PM CST
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
Polymerous said:This is an older seedling (the seed was collected in 2011) that I have shown before. It is a (* gasp *) yellow (tetraploid), and nothing much to look at, compared to all of the eyed, edged, and ruffled fancy faces on this thread. But, I like it very much. This FFO image was from around 7:30 am yesterday morning, after a 53 F night. The first bloom on that scape was 4"; the first bloom on a different scape today was 3.5". The plant appears to be rust resistant. (Knock on wood.) I love the flower form and opening traits. Lovey dubby The downside, however, is that there are a paltry 6 buds per scape, the scapes are shorter than I prefer, and I have yet to see this plant rebloom (though it should have the genetics for it). The bloom color also fades on the warmer days (though the bloom itself has good substance, and is still attractive at the end of the day, albeit a lighter shade of color).

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That's a very nice flower, and anything that opens that early and well could be a valuable thing to have in this region.

Do you know the parentage? Looks like it might have some Kaskel or Salter rattling around in there. How tall is it usually? Is it still in its original seedling bed? I'm wondering if it might improve if planted independently.

Branching and bud-count can be puzzling. I've had poorly branched and budded daylilies produce superior offspring, even when crossed with similarly-budded cultivars.

Matthew Kaskel gave me a Graceland x Glad All Over seedling which had 50 buds in his garden, but no matter what I did, it had a normal top-cluster with about 16 buds. You mentioned short scapes in another thread, and my experience has been that siting can have an affect on that. Assuming 6 hours of direct sunlight a day for two plants of the same variety; if one is planted where the first rays of the morning sun strike it directly, it will have shorter scapes than the one which receives indirect light until noon or so, then direct sun afterward.
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May 22, 2016 5:03 PM CST
Name: Angela
Jacksonville, NC (Zone 8a)
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@spunky1 I agree gorgeous!! It may be thrips, but what to spray? I have lady bug larvae everywhere, hoping they can conquer.
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May 22, 2016 7:51 PM CST
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
South San Francisco Bay Area (Zone 9b)
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I've been watching this lemon seedling carefully this year (it is now in a #2 pot, sitting in a non-draining flower box), and the opening has been variable. I've had good opening (as seen in the image above) after cool nights, and I've had poorer opening (and paler color) after cool nights. I'm not sure if it is a succession of cold nights or crossing some marginal temperature threshold that affects the opening and color, or if I'm not keeping the pot watered enough. It is certainly an EMO, but some days it just has better looking flowers, color and opening wise, than on others. After yesterday's cool and rainy day (63 F per Accuweather), and a low temp last night of 52 F for our city (maybe cooler at my house, we are in a bit of a depression), today's blooms opened pale and flat, and with the cool temp (high of 67 F) and all the overcast today, they pretty much stayed that way. Glare (Pretty much everything today was challenged both in opening and in color. The sibling "color changer" seedling did not develop the rich morning color that it did on warmer days, and while there was a bit of color changing evident by late afternoon, it was nowhere near as dramatic as on sunny days. I am guessing this is both by way of less contrast (because the overall initial bloom color did not develop) and also because there was no sun today to burn off the surface pigment color. Ultimately that sibling may put on its best color changing display in warmer, or warmer night, areas. Sad )

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Another "good hair" day with a different bloom (5-13, the day after the bloom in the previous image; daytime highs and lows for our city, per Accuweather, were 73/53, 71/57, 70/53 on the 11th, 12th, and 13th, respectively).

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Bloom today was not so good (5-22, daytime highs and lows for yesterday and today were (or were predicted to be) 63/52, 67/52).

Maybe this whole thing about CMOs is not so much about cool or cold temperatures the night before/early morning of the bloom, but cool or cold temperatures, in the 60s, on the previous DAY? Confused It'd be nice if somebody could nail that down.

You asked about the parentage of this lemon seedling... check your Tree Mail. I hadn't actually measured the scape height, so I went out and checked; it appears to be about 18". Sad Maybe that might improve if the plant were actually in the ground somewhere, if I could find a suitable spot.

I know that plants "from the South" never achieve their registered bud count here. I am guessing that your "superior offspring" came about from good recessive genes.

Your observation on the relationship of scape height to siting is fascinating - that is not something that had ever occurred to me. Most of my garden gets a fair amount of shade. The daylilies with the most annoyingly stunted scapes are actually in my "full" (or as full as it gets) sun part of the garden. They are in sun from at least mid morning (if not earlier) until late afternoon or early evening (depending on the season). And that seedling (and its color changing sibling) are both sitting on my patio, which is right on the edge of that "full" sun area. Hmmm. (I don't think that I'm about to dig all of those daylilies and move them into shade... most of them do well enough, and one routinely exceeds its registration height. I am also beginning to suspect that water may have some role to play wrt the scape height, too. With all of the rain we had this past winter, I am seeing taller scapes on some of these daylilies than I have seen before.)
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May 22, 2016 8:15 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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I definitely think water is a determining factor in how daylilies do from season to season.

Whenever we have lots of rain, the daylilies do great! When we are in drought conditions, they struggle more, even with me watering regularly. They like the acid rain because the ground is very alkaline here in my part of Florida. I use well water otherwise. I do see a big difference in rain water vs. well water.
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May 22, 2016 8:49 PM CST
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
gardenglory said:Picked it and when not hung up on other buds, it snapped into this recurled number. Im not big on recurling, but this one looks pretty darn fine with the green throat and dark purple. If not for the water spots, the color is good. Finally, something thats not mungy. Its a noid


That's a nice seedling, Pam. I appreciate recurved flowers simply because the odds are good that they'll open up consistently well in our cool, uneven weather.
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May 23, 2016 4:49 AM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
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The two purple flowers above are sibs, sorry I didn't make that clear.

These first two were put in the hybridizing area last year.
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I kept this because it polys about 90%
LAVENDER BUTTERFLY X EMERALD STARBURST 7"
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This was selected yesterday to be moved this fall
Its now reblooming and has a great well branched scape
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May 23, 2016 5:03 AM CST
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
South San Francisco Bay Area (Zone 9b)
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Nice colors on the poly, Fred. Nice near-white, too. (You may tell that my preference is for "quieter" daylilies. Hilarious! )
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May 23, 2016 3:41 PM CST
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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The seedling of (Dizzy Damselfly X French Twist) finally opened without any canoeing. I like the form once that is gone. It's a stiff bloom, but it definitely flattens it face and curls more when the temperature is higher. So far the blooms are measuring 7-8", but that's as is, not straightened.
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May 23, 2016 4:54 PM CST
Name: Barbalee
Amarillo, TX (Zone 6b)
Very impressive, Donald!
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May 23, 2016 5:21 PM CST
Name: Vickie
southern Indiana (Zone 6b)
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Nice seedling, Donald Thumbs up
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May 23, 2016 5:42 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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I agree .... very nice seedling, Donald! Hurray!
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