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Jan 29, 2020 8:01 PM CST
Name: Ginny G
Central Iowa (Zone 5a)
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Blinking Blinking Blinking a little above my price range Whistling Whistling Whistling
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Jan 29, 2020 8:59 PM CST
Name: Marcia
Rochester, ny, zone 6 (Zone 6b)
Dog Lover Dragonflies
A LOT above mine Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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Jan 30, 2020 8:43 AM CST
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
It makes me a little nervous when I win something at an unusually low price on the LA. The last two times it happened, the sellers "mysteriously" couldn't fill the order due to problems beyond their control. Weirdly, one of them was auctioning the same plant a couple of months later, but at a much higher starting bid.


MrKGDickie said:What does a buyer do if that happens? I've only dealt with three sellers thus far (I'm pooling shipping expenses on my bids). So far, so good.


You get a refund or a substitute plant, whatever you can work out with the seller, but that doesn't mean the principles of the auction system were upheld.

An auction is a sales format which systematically preys on the greed and competitiveness of buyers. No auction ever closes below the asking price set by the seller, but almost every one closes at a higher price, some are driven to astronomical levels. The unscrupulous seller is not satisfied with this inherent imbalance, and will take every opportunity to work the system to their best advantage.

When the occasional "low auction closing price" occurs, a person of character would ship the plant to the buyer, accept that things like this happen, and perhaps modify their auction strategy and parameters to minimize it.

The unscrupulous seller can pull the "crop failure" card, offering a refund, or some substitute plant "worth more". In reality, it may be "worth more" than what you paid, but it's never "worth more" than the plant you won.

I may be alone in this, but paying for things months in advance and only being able to hope for delivery of high quality product is NOT my modus operandi outside of LA.


It makes me uneasy too, particularly in the case of blooming plants, which, a year after purchase, may turn out to be mislabeled. Things get hazy with the passage of time, introducing factors such as mishandling by the buyer into the situation. A few years ago I received a mislabeled plant, and by the time it bloomed, the seller was no longer in the Lily Auction system.

I have a situation right now which will be more like 20 months from auction close before I will see blooms, thanks to a seller who took 9 months to deliver a mere slip of a plant measuring 5/16" at the leaf base. A couple of months after I received my plant, the seller put another one up for $100 starting bid. It's pretty obvious what the seller was doing.

Other than those two instances, (and one crop failure situation) I've been more than pleased with the many purchases I've made from the Lily auction.
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Jan 30, 2020 3:02 PM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 6a)
"Have no patience for bare ground"
James I agree with you. I bought a seedling for $20 where no one challenged me in the bidding. The seller put up the same seedling within a few days with a starting price of $79.99. I believe that this is why most of the buyers gravitate towards certain sellers. Rich, Steve, Gramps among others are highly respected and honest sellers that have been doing this for years.
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Jan 30, 2020 5:28 PM CST
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
Hazelcrestmikeb said:James I agree with you. I bought a seedling for $20 where no one challenged me in the bidding. The seller put up the same seedling within a few days with a starting price of $79.99.


That seems like seller's choice, and could be a case where the seller realized that the first one went too cheap. Also, since that one went quickly, and now there aren't that many left, the remainder are technically more precious. Was it a bloomed seedling?

If the seller cancelled your sale, then re-listed at a higher price, that's a problem. Did you get your plant?

I believe that this is why most of the buyers gravitate towards certain sellers. Rich, Steve, Gramps among others are highly respected and honest sellers that have been doing this for years.


Those guys are top-notch sellers, so are Davi, Ruby, Screek and Yardman. I really appreciate these and the other other solid sellers who mostly use their own photos too.
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Jan 30, 2020 10:55 PM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Birds The WITWIT Badge Garden Ideas: Level 1 Roses
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Another excellent seller -- our own Fred (Spunky1). In fact, he has a great selection of his own creations on the LA right now... Thumbs up
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Jan 31, 2020 7:26 AM CST
Name: Ginny G
Central Iowa (Zone 5a)
Plant Addict!!
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Fred sends awesome plants Hurray!
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Jan 31, 2020 11:26 AM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 6a)
"Have no patience for bare ground"
James it is a bloomed seedling to be shipped this spring.
Add Morning_star, JWWC, Markarmand, Emery ( just got mine from her), Runningfox Hurray! Durango, DWM, Justsue, Breeze and the list goes on and on.
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The seedling in question.
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Jan 31, 2020 12:06 PM CST
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Hazelcrestmikeb said:James it is a bloomed seedling to be shipped this spring.
Add Morning_star, JWWC, Markarmand, Emery ( just got mine from her), Runningfox Hurray! Durango, DWM, Justsue, Breeze and the list goes on and on.
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The seedling in question.

Is that a Harold Steen seedling MIke?
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Jan 31, 2020 1:59 PM CST
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
Hazelcrestmikeb said:James it is a bloomed seedling to be shipped this spring.
Add Morning_star, JWWC, Markarmand, Emery ( just got mine from her), Runningfox Hurray! Durango, DWM, Justsue, Breeze and the list goes on and on.
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The seedling in question.


Congratulations are in order. You just bought the 2019 Benz intro "Janet's Jewel" for $20.
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Jan 31, 2020 3:24 PM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 6a)
"Have no patience for bare ground"
James he named it ?
Karen this was the LA info that was posted with the listing.
"You are bidding on a blooming size single fan of SdlgLA-VOG-127-3(Lavishly Adorned X Sdlg VOG-127-3)

Sdlg VOG-127-3: (Vision of Glory X Kaskel's "Best Edge") tet 22" M. Sev. 6" bloom; 3-way branching; 12-15 buds. This gorgeous 6" "
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Jan 31, 2020 3:26 PM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 6a)
"Have no patience for bare ground"
I went back and check the actual price. It was $25.00
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Jan 31, 2020 3:29 PM CST
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
Hazelcrestmikeb said:James he named it ?
Karen this was the LA info that was posted with the listing.
"You are bidding on a blooming size single fan of SdlgLA-VOG-127-3(Lavishly Adorned X Sdlg VOG-127-3)

Sdlg VOG-127-3: (Vision of Glory X Kaskel's "Best Edge") tet 22" M. Sev. 6" bloom; 3-way branching; 12-15 buds. This gorgeous 6" "


He "named it" last year, but that name doesn't show up in the AHS database. Only a few of the 2019's do though. This isn't unusual, some of his have never been registered.

The image and the description are the same as he posted on his Facebook page with the rest of the 2019 intros.

I don't belong to FaceBook, but I can see a lot of the things posted publicly there.
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Jan 31, 2020 3:31 PM CST
Name: James
California (Zone 8b)
Hazelcrestmikeb said:I went back and check the actual price. It was $25.00


I feel as if you still did OK... nodding
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Jan 31, 2020 3:32 PM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 6a)
"Have no patience for bare ground"
It started at $20 then a buyer bump it to $25. That's my final story as written in my close auction page.
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is, is amazing, isn't it. MichaelBurton

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Jan 31, 2020 3:42 PM CST
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Wow, you made out like a bandit with that purchase, Mike! Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up She sure is a beauty!
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Jan 31, 2020 4:05 PM CST
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 6a)
"Have no patience for bare ground"
A little on the short side. Pleased otherwise. Looking at breeding potential with taller stock to bring it higher.
robinseeds.com
"Life as short as it

























is, is amazing, isn't it. MichaelBurton

"Be your best you".
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Jan 31, 2020 4:36 PM CST
Name: Ginny G
Central Iowa (Zone 5a)
Plant Addict!!
Bee Lover Miniature Gardening Native Plants and Wildflowers Peonies Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Region: United States of America Vegetable Grower Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Lilies Irises Region: Iowa
I'm drooling all over my keyboard on that one Mike - GORGEOUS!!!!!
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Jan 31, 2020 5:29 PM CST
Name: Marcia
Rochester, ny, zone 6 (Zone 6b)
Dog Lover Dragonflies
I agree That is definitely one gorgeous seedling Lovey dubby that now has a name Thumbs up
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Feb 2, 2020 12:38 PM CST
Name: Ken
Winston-Salem, NC (Zone 7b)
Daylilies & hardy hibiscus
Hazelcrestmikeb said:It started at $20 then a buyer bump it to $25. That's my final story as written in my close auction page.


I've done that in the past. It's not predatory in my case, I assure you. I tend to ONLY bid on low starting bid auctions, and in some cases I've only given myself $5-6 wiggle room (depending on that seller's shipping charge for additional wins).

In any instance, I feel guilty about bumping up someone else's price, especially when I don't exceed their maximum bid. In a system where maximum bids are secret, though (which is the only way the system works), bid-bumping is bound to happen.

Just know that there are those of us out there who DO feel guilty when that happens...as well as jealous that we still didn't win lol.
Hardy hibiscus are a hobby, but daylilies are an obsession.

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