makes total sense.

I noticed a post about double bidding on the auction, try not to do that if at all possible.
It doesn't happen often but I've noticed a few bids get bumped up with no actual interest in winning from the new bidder.
Some people get overbid, look for revenge or just get pissed off in general and do things they normally wouldn't, or maybe would
In my opinion put up your best offer with first bid, let the trolls stir up somebody else's life.
Double bids draw attention, try not do that.

I-476 (Viserion x Worthy Of Distinction) my favorite new polychrome from the 2019 maiden bloom year

Do they pay. Not sure Im getting it, Does double bidding mean you bid on something someone else bid on.

Pam I think I get what he is saying, don't bid if you don't want the plant, and most of us will not, but... I bid, you bid, they bid...I bid, they bid, you bid...You bid they bid I bid...ect. and so it goes. At least that is how all auctions I have been to work! If you bump it up, don't you have to pay if you win? I don't bid on many plants on the LA, very few. But to me bidding your highest price first sort of takes away the meaning of an auction and all the fun. Of course if I don't really want the plant, or the seeds, I am not going to bid in the first place. I was in the auto salvage business for years and my brother went to the sales and bid on the cars in order for us to have parts to sell. There were all kinds of games played, all sorts of little side deals made, people laid off bidding for certain friends on specific cars on request. People asked others to bid for them if they thought a revenge bid might be placed against them, but if you bumped a bid you had better be ready to pay and often when a rude bidder was bidding , others would bid them up and drop it on him, but the high bidder had to pay so you had to hope you could read the bids and know when to get out, that did not always work. So it paid to be sociable, it paid to work with others, and it paid to use strategy. It was called an auction because that is exactly what it was.
Sometimes I see people up their own bid...a mistake I can understand, but sometimes I see it more than once. That strategy I don't understand either.
How many of us know what our best bid is before the bidding starts? I saw recently where people felt better when the received a bonus or gift plant when they saw that other people had purchased the same plant. That made the plant seem more valuable. At all auctions it seems that just the fact that others are willing to bid higher seems to make the plant worth more! I think that is one of the reasons they have auctions! I think the very fact that if you are the high bidder on a plant that is called a "Win" it makes people feel they have "won" something, that they have actually bought! But also you have won the bidding process, just like winning a race, it evolves competition. I think for a lot of people that process is a lot of fun.

Gotcha, and I agree, very irritating getting bumped up for no reason. Thats why I keep trying to change up my high bids.

When I first started bidding on the LA I accidentally upped my own bid a couple times until I figured things out. At least that's what it looked like to me that I did anyway Trust me - I'm much more observant now

I will say this, sometimes I bid someone up once, but its just to find out if they have a high bid in.

Personally, I never put up my "best" offer with my first bid. Usually I put in my lowest offer possible when I see an auction I am interested in. That may require several repeat bids. If someone else bids later then I decide if I want the auction and if so, how much I want the auction. Then I may bid again. If there other bids later, each time I re-examine how much I want the auction and make a new decision about whether to bid or not and if so how much.
I also have no problem with increasing my maximum bid, that is bidding twice in a row.

If I really want something I usually put my high bid as the highest its sold for, that way if someone gets it, they are going to pay more than anyone else has and that doesnt bother me. I really dont like 'arguing' with others, would rather the computer do it for me.

ooo and if I want something.. but are still thinking, I will up the bid the very least you can, so it gets on my My Lilys page and I can watch it. The watch list thing I dont seem to follow well

Ed, I understand your frustrations, but mostly, there are no trolls or mean-spirited bidders here, on the NGA. There's probably a FB page where it would be more effective by reaching a lot more people and a wider spectrum of personalities, if you're on FB, that is. @Legalily Ginny might know of the right FB group to post on.

The proxy bidding works just fine for me. I always research the closed auctions for a cultivar I'm interested in, and decide my maximum bid based on those numbers. I don't go overboard with my maximum bid amount. If I win, I win, If I don't, so be it. I usually don't up my maximum bid anyway. Typically it's not worth it to me to up my maximum if the bidding goes beyond what I'm willing to pay initially bc I'm certain of what I feel the maximum amount that daylily is worth to ME in particular. In other words, my maximum IS my maximum. It's really subjective based on each individual's opinion. If somebody else's maximum is more than mine, it's their choice. They should know their own mind, and if they don't and/or don't know the rules, it's on them, and they most likely wind up reported by the seller anyway, and possibly kicked off the LA if the admin finds it necessary bc they're breaking the rules on the regular. It really sucks for the buyers if they get artificially outbid and lose the auction, as a result, and it sucks especially for the sellers if they get stiffed and unfortunately trolls cannot be controlled, but the admins do their jobs the best they possibly can.

On the LA you are vetted before you can bid. That's not to say that someone can't use fake/stolen info to join. The majority are regulars. I have learned that you don't have to win everything you bid on. I believe that if you use that approach you are better off. I have upped my initial bids based on the fact that after I reevaluate the initial bid in my estimation it was on the low side. Many will test you to see if you just bidded the minimum by going one or two dollars over. Pam the best way to keep track of any LA auction is to watch it. If you watch it, it stays there until you remove it long after it is closed. If you bid on it you have to physically go back and look it up in the closed auction if you didn't win. I have been doing that lately to keep track with minimal effort on my part even on some of my bids. I will never bump someone up just because. If I bid, I am interested in winning if it is in the range of what I think that it is worth to me. Like Maurice said in regards to being outbidded. Up your bid if you really, really want it.
Ed I love that polychrome

Pam I'm not frustrated, I'm just trying to help my buyers save money any way I can.

Thanks Mike, I like that kid myself

I have on more than one occasion, raised my original bid. I either found that the daylily was rare, value was much higher than my initial bid, or I decided that I had to have it. Also, if the "watched" list keeps increasing, I know the competition is poised to outbid me. I honestly don't find the bidding fun. I'm just there to get the plant/seed that I need. I'm in it, to win it. Bidding up your original bid doesn't mean you are new or stupid. It may just mean that you have made up your mind to have it.

Seeds do not have to be listed as auctions - they can be listed at fixed price Instant Buys.

admmad said:Personally, I never put up my "best" offer with my first bid. Usually I put in my lowest offer possible when I see an auction I am interested in. That may require several repeat bids. If someone else bids later then I decide if I want the auction and if so, how much I want the auction. Then I may bid again. If there other bids later, each time I re-examine how much I want the auction and make a new decision about whether to bid or not and if so how much.
I also have no problem with increasing my maximum bid, that is bidding twice in a row.

We are of like mind, Maurice. It's never punitive...usually it's that I've gone from "that's my highest bid" to "well, maybe I can go a LITTLE higher."

I never do it to drive up some else's bid. In fact, I feel pretty guilty when I bump someone's bid up and don't win...usually because they're a few or even several dollars above me.

I think it's just reconsidering your highest bid. Is that "double-bidding," or does that term describe something else?

I think it really is what was mentioned at the beginning by Larry. Its pick pick picking at someone who has a high bid in, hoping they dont ever reach that persons high bid, they just want to make sure they pay more . Spite bidding as I call it. Not the same as wanting to win.

gardenglory said:I think it really is what was mentioned at the beginning by Larry. Its pick pick picking at someone who has a high bid in, hoping they dont ever reach that persons high bid, they just want to make sure they pay more . Spite bidding as I call it. Not the same as wanting to win.

Although I understand, but that would not look different from something I might do. If someone has become the high bidder on an auction I am interested in I may bid a higher amount. If I am outbid by the high bidder's proxy bid I may bid again. Each time I am outbid by a proxy bid I reconsider just how much do I want that auction. Depending on that I might not have wanted to bid more than $3 per seed originally but I might go to $4 per seed. If I am still outbid by a proxy bid I may reconsider and drop out or I might go to $5 per seed. Depending on how much I can convince myself, that for example, $5 per seed = plant is better than $100 per fan, I might try again. Or I might stop having reached my limit and give up. That might look like spite bidding but it is not - I have just been "outlasted" by the proxy bids.

As an example, a few days ago there was a seed auction that I wanted. Someone I know had bid a relatively small amount (in comparison to previous auctions for the same cross). And I wanted the seeds. So I bid an amount that I was willing to pay for the seeds. I was outbid by a proxy bid. I knew that the high bidder had both won and lost previous auctions for the same cross. I had not won any auctions for that cross. I could have continued bidding hoping to find that a winning bid would be acceptable to me in cost but thinking that might not be possible. Or I could stop bidding. I stopped. But the end result was that I raised the person's bid and their cost but not for any negative reason. In fact I felt unhappy that I had given up and that I had cost the bidder more.

And thats how most of us feel. If your bidding in good faith, I think thats all anyone can ask.