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Feb 22, 2023 7:25 AM CST
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I am growing Pothos in water and the leaves have started turning yellow and I am not sure why and what to do to remedy it. Any advice?
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Feb 22, 2023 9:46 AM CST
Name: Sandy B.
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Welcome to NGA @Kcrafty Smiling

How long has your pothos plant been growing in the water?
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Feb 22, 2023 10:06 AM CST
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Thank you! A few are at about 6 months and others are around 4 months
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Feb 22, 2023 11:09 AM CST
Name: Sandy B.
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Are you just rooting them in the water, or are you planning to continue to grow them that way? They probably are in need of some nutrients.
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Feb 22, 2023 11:19 AM CST
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I was planning to keep them in water - I was thinking they were lacking nutrients or maybe too much sun?
Any fertilizer suggestions welcomed
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Feb 22, 2023 12:00 PM CST
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I use liquid fertilizer (10-10-10), mixed according to the label. I empty the water from the jar, add the fertilizer, let it sit for 30 or 40 minutes then drain it out and add fresh water.
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Feb 22, 2023 12:02 PM CST
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Interesting! I'll give it a try. Do you think the liquid fertilizer brand makes a big difference? I've been debating between a few
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Feb 22, 2023 12:12 PM CST
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I don't think so. I look for something relatively balanced with micronutrients. I'm using Bonide Liquid Plant Food, but only because its what suited all my requirements without breaking my piggy bank.
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Feb 22, 2023 12:15 PM CST
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Thank you!
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Feb 22, 2023 4:57 PM CST
Name: Al F.
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@Kcrafty Some help understanding fertilizers, which you should be providing if you want your plant to have the opportunity to realize as much of it's potential as possible within the limits of other cultural factors.

The first important point is, there are no plants that actually use nutrients in a 1:1:1 NPK ratio (fertilizers with NPK %s of 5-5-5, 14-14-14, 7-7-7, etc., are all 1:1:1 ratio fertilizers). That isn't to say you can't or shouldn't use one, only that there are better choices for plants grown in containers, whether the container is filled with a solid medium or water.

Below is the range at which plants actually take up nutrients. Because nitrogen (N) is the nutrient used in the largest amounts, all other nutrients are listed as a % of N.
N 100
P 13-19%
K 45-80%
S 6-9%
Mg 5-15%
Ca 5-15%
Fe 0.7%
Mn 0.4%
B(oron) 0.2%
Zn 0.06%
Cu 0.03%
Cl 0.03%
M(olybden) 0.003"

The average plant uses about 16% as much phosphorous (P) and 62% as much potassium (K) as nitrogen, respectively. All 1:1:1 ratio fertilizers' phosphorous content is 43% that of N (2.7x more than the plant can/will use) 83% as much K as much K as n (roughly 20% more than ideal necessary).

Fertilizers with 3:1:2 ratios come closest to supplying nutrients in the same ratio as the average plant uses them. 24-8-16, 12-4-8, and 9-3-6 are all popular 3:1:2 ratio fertilizers. All 3:1:2 ratio fertilizers supply 14.3% as much P and 55.3% as much K as N, respectively.

What all this says above, is that a 3:1:2 ratio fertilizer is almost always a better choice than a 1:1:1 ratio fertilizer for container culture. For use in gardens and beds, everything is just going to be a SWAG w/o a soil test.

The best fertilizer I've ever used, and I've been experimenting with soils (grow media) and fertilizers for 43 years, is Foliage-Pro 9-3-6. It has ALL nutrients essential to normal growth including calcium, magnesium + all the micro and secondary macro nutrients, all in a single container. It is immediately available upon application, and it derives more than 2/3 of its N from nitrate sources, which is meaningful for low light conditions because fertilizer in nitrate form can keep plants noticeably fuller and more compact than fertilizers that provide all or most of their nitrogen as urea.

I realize the all the numbers might not mean much to you, but they're there to provide the background information anyone can access with a few keystrokes, and they support what I just shared.

Brand does make a big difference. As noted, most fertilizers don't contain all essential nutrients, and many derive much of their nitrogen from urea. Also, if you have any questions about why your choice of NPK ratios are important, I can provide that information as well.

From University of Florida's Pothos production guide. Fertilizer NPK ratio recommendation in bold:
Pothos will survive a wide range of environmental conditions, but grows best at 70- 90°F. Minimum temperatures below 70°F and maximum temperatures above 90°F will greatly retard growth. Plants should be supplied the equivalent of 5 lbs of nitrogen/1000 ft2 monthly from a <b>3-1-2 analysis<b> or 7 grams of 19-6-12 per 6" pot per 3 months. Slow release and liquid have been successfully used. Micronutrients such as copper, iron, manganese and zinc are needed in such small quantities that the impurities in water and micronutrients supplied by the medium are usually sufficient. Tissue composition of good quality foliage plant has been found to be: N, 2.5-3.5% dry weight; P, 0.20-0.35%; K, 3.0-4.5%; Ca, 1.0- 1.5% and Mg, 0.3-0.6%. The growing mix should be well aerated and overwatering avoided. Pothos have been watered with sewage effluent with no harmful effect. Plants growth is modified easily with the growth retardants B-Nine at 10,000 parts per million (ppm) spray and 100 ppm of an ancymidol (A-REST) spray or 0.6 milligrams (mg) of ancymidol per square foot and 100 mg per 600 milliliter pot of paclobutrazol (Bonzi).

https://mrec.ifas.ufl.edu/Foli...

Al
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Feb 22, 2023 4:58 PM CST
Name: Al F.
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The post that was here was an exact duplicate of the one just above, so I deleted it. Not sure how it happened.

This message brought to you by the department of redundancy department.

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Feb 22, 2023 5:05 PM CST
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My plants are smart enough to sort out what they need - just like they used to when they were running wild and free. Whistling
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Feb 23, 2023 6:45 AM CST
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Thank You!
The information is very helpful
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Mar 4, 2023 1:31 PM CST
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Al (@tapla) —

Thank You! Hurray!

Your information about fertilizer was very helpful! I would like to share your post with my daughter, as she and I were just yesterday discussing indoor plants and fertilizer.

My daughter is not a member of AGA, but I would like to share this with her. How could I do that, other than taking multiple screenshots?
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Mar 4, 2023 1:51 PM CST
Name: Al F.
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@ImaPlanterNTx Glad you found it useful. You can copy/paste the text to a word document or email, and just mail it to her. I have another article I wrote about fertilizing plants in containers, which contains more information ...... if you'd like to look at that. I can message you a link to it or just copy/paste it to the message. Let me know.

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Mar 4, 2023 1:54 PM CST
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I'm sorry but the sooner you have the plant that have spouted roots out of the water and into soil the better the plant will be. You want healthy plants!
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Mar 4, 2023 2:21 PM CST
Name: Al F.
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The grower mentioned her intent was to grow the plants in water, using some form of aqua-culture.

A very strong case can be made for the idea it would be best from the perspective of energy management and the vitality of the propagule if water rooting was skipped altogether. Rooting in a solid medium has significant advantages over rooting in water.

Al
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Mar 4, 2023 2:59 PM CST
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Janie, your daughter doesn't need to be a member to visit and read.
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Mar 5, 2023 9:18 AM CST
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If my cuttings shrivel and die before they form roots, that's not an advantage. It really depends on the plant and the situation. If I put a Coleus cutting in the ground in full sun, it will not take root and grow because it will shrivel up. I've tried it and even if I water a couple times per day, it doesn't work. But if I put a water-rooted stem in the same spot, it can stay alive, settle in, stay alive, and keep growing.

For Pothos in particular, I have had 100% success with hundreds of cuttings over the years by starting in water, but less than perfect success by skipping that step. But there is a limit to how much foliage can be supported by roots in water. To split hairs, you're not growing Pothos in water, it's just staying alive.
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Mar 5, 2023 12:17 PM CST
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That's why it needs periodic fertilizer. The only difference between a plant grown in water and a plant grown in soil is you will have to provide all the nutrients. It's called hydroponics. There are lots of commercially produced vegetables that are being grown hydroponically.

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