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Apr 17, 2017 3:47 PM CST
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Name: Dave
Southern wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Is this even possible? In the garden where I planted bulbs last fall, I Have more stems coming up than bulbs planted. I don't recall any of them being double nosed either. Both Lankon and Fusion. Now granted since they have not blooms
bloomed, I'm not sure these are true to name though.

But multiplying or dividing since being planted in the fall last year, seems to be a little extreme. Thoughts everyone?
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Apr 17, 2017 4:47 PM CST
Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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Well you are describing two lilies that divide very quickly. There may have been internal noses that you did not see when planting.
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Apr 17, 2017 4:57 PM CST
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Name: Dave
Southern wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Good point Joe. I was just thinking it would have taken at least a good growing season before they multiplied, or at least the divisions could establish enough of a root system to feed the growing noses.
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Apr 17, 2017 5:56 PM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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This ones easy. They were already very pregnant with basil plate offsets hidden tightly between the scales a couple rows in. Had you peeled back a few scales last fall you would have exposed them or at least enough of them to see that they were there. Pretty well hidden otherwise, but that's what happened. Fusion is capable of lots of these little hidden noses as Joe says and sheds them readily and they develop rapidly too. One of my double noses from last year has 7 blooming size noses this year.
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Apr 17, 2017 6:25 PM CST
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Name: Dave
Southern wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Thank you Lorn. I'm not complaining by any means. More flowers to enjoy this year! Just caught me off guard as I walk the gardens and I see a bunch of noses coming up in the same area. Checked the label, then checked my invoices and logs to see how many I ordered. Kind of like getting a bonus bulb of something you wanted then. Rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 17, 2017 6:36 PM CST
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Name: Joshua
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I had a few bulbs of different cultivars unexpectedly double-nose as well on their first season after planting, too, so Lorn's explanation makes sense.
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Apr 17, 2017 7:38 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
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I see this happen often on certain martagon bulbs, too. But with martagons at least, this doesn't always mean there is or will be a new nose. Sometimes one bulb just has the propensity to produce more than one stem (and not all from the center, either) and still be a one nose bulb at the end of the season. Very curious.
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Apr 17, 2017 8:13 PM CST
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Fascinating. Do you find those bulbs that send up a second stem without being double-nosed at the end of the season become double-nosed the following season?
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Apr 17, 2017 8:30 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
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Josh, I've only dug one that would answer you question, so whether it is an anomaly or the norm, I could say with certainty. But this one, had 5 stems in year 1, eleven stems in year 2. I Dug the bulb clump in July of year 2, and there were only three bulbs. I was pretty much flabbergasted, and the bulb scales were quite loose in arrangement, so it was easy to seen "inside".
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Apr 17, 2017 8:54 PM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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It's not 100% foolproof Joshua, but in the case of most commercial available lilies, if you see a double nose and stem appear, there's a good chance the bulb has entered into the process of division. But I also think there can be exceptions anywhere at any time as well. I've had 5 blooming stems appear on a Div. VI Tropical Isle and it still wasn't fully divided and only showed the two main nose and stem points.
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Apr 17, 2017 9:30 PM CST
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Interesting. Thanks, Rick & Lorn.
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