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Jul 31, 2022 12:44 AM CST
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Name: Maryl
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Looking for something that can take full sun, temperatures over 100 during the day for a small (6 inch) container. Will be overwintered inside and divided when necessary. If a cactus, please no spines.........Any suggestions?............Maryl Oklahoma
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Jul 31, 2022 10:13 AM CST
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There are succulents that can tolerate temperatures that high, but blazing hot temps with full sun and a small(ish) pot... that's a pretty lethal combination most of the time. You are probably going to need to find some protection from the sun (especially the midday and afternoon sun) to get most heat tolerant succulents to thrive. Your list will be a whole lot longer if you can provide filtered light or part shade. I will leave the actual plant suggestions to folks who live in hot places (we do not), this just a tip to get more out of a difficult situation.
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Jul 31, 2022 12:29 PM CST
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Name: Maryl
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All my other C&S are already filling the spots with shade from the blazing PM sun. Regular plants are suffering through the heat in full sun, but I need something that will like fast drainage, stay small and will take at least 8 hours of full sun. I know. It's a heck of a thing to put some poor C&S through.........Thank you Baja for your comments. I enjoy your pictures when they show up on the front page...............Maryl
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Jul 31, 2022 5:07 PM CST
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You can try a Paper Spine cactus or Spruce cone cactus. They stay small can be planted out in full sun here (also do fine in pots), they have minimal and no spines. Just not sure how they will do inside since I have never tried that.

These will stay small and if they grow they have sections that almost come off too easily.

Another cactus you might try is Ariocarpus, unfortunately these are pretty pricey, but they are spineless, really cool looking, and if acclimatized gently they will take full sun. Same with the inside thing - probably would require some really bright spot in a window sill or a grow light.

Most other things I could suggest come with a variety of spines and teeth.
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Jul 31, 2022 6:27 PM CST
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You could try some caudex forming plants, like Adenium obesum, Beaucarnea recurvata, Beaucarnea guatemalensis, Pachypodiums. Just make sure media is very well draining and porous, and always use containers with drain holes. During high heat days, stepped up watering is always enjoyed by these plants, that is why got to keep the media very well draining. Caudex forms also below soil level, so got to protect all the way to the root zone, so it does not sit needlessly in too wet media, especially if your area gets summer rain.

Just remember though, they maybe high heat tolerant, but they are not happy with cold weather, so once your overnight temps starts going below 50F, time to bring them indoors for their winter rest. Though Beaucarneas are still okay down to 32F, as long as kept dry and still in full sun outdoors. So here in my mild winter area, where we do not get snow, just the occasional cold rain, I can still leave my Beaucarneas outdoors. But if they are still young and have not formed its hard bark texture yet, best to bring them indoors too and position by your warmest, sunniest window, ideally a south facing window.

And if there is a forecast in the range of 20F's, got to bring them in, they will get severe cold damage by then.
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Jul 31, 2022 9:16 PM CST
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Tarev those are great suggestions, but none of those plants you mention are suited for 6" or smaller pots for very long or are easily divided if they grow too big. If you get those in a 4" pot that is one maybe two growing seasons before you are looking for a larger than 6" pot
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Jul 31, 2022 10:22 PM CST
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I think kalanchoe mother or thousands and mother of millions may fit that requrements. Euphorbia lactea and Cereus peruvianus, if you keep only 1, the Cereus may still can fit into a 6 inch pot.

There will be a lot of mini aloes that can grow quite ok in full sun.
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Aug 1, 2022 12:30 AM CST
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mcvansoest said: Tarev those are great suggestions, but none of those plants you mention are suited for 6" or smaller pots for very long or are easily divided if they grow too big. If you get those in a 4" pot that is one maybe two growing seasons before you are looking for a larger than 6" pot


I think one can start with a young plant. In any case, eventually plants will naturally outgrow their small containers. Those plants I mentioned do take their sweet time to grow, especially when they go dormant or slowdown in winter. But the best part is they all thrive well in high heat compared to typical succulents that tend to shut down or get sunburnt in excessive heat.
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Aug 1, 2022 6:14 AM CST
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Name: Maryl
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Lots of suggestions on plants I'm not familiar with and some I am. I was thinking more along the lines of an Echevaria, Sedum, Mammillaria etc. that would stay low to the surface. I know Haworthia wouldn't accept full sun, and Aeoniums do grow tall and I don't have anywhere to overwinter a tall C&S (just a few gro-lights). Not sure about culture of Aloes.....Thank you all for considering my question and giving me suggestions.........Maryl
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Aug 1, 2022 7:49 AM CST
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I hope the pots in question are clay. I end up trimming a lot of plants because of winter too. Just because a plant gets too big, doesn't mean it can't be trimmed. Not all, but most can be. It's difficult to re-acclimate plants to tons of sun after coming inside for winter.

Plants that like to bake in the sun for most of the day including the hottest part, where I am:
Jelly Beans (Sedum x rubrotinctum 'Aurora')
Jelly Bean (Sedum x rubrotinctum)
Sedum (Hylotelephium SunSparklerยฎ Firecracker) (don't bring inside)
Ghost Plant (Graptopetalum paraguayense) (can probably stay outside)
Kalanchoe 'Maroon Krinkle'
Chinese Stonecrop (Sedum tetractinum 'Coral Reef')
Little Pickles (Crassothonna capensis)
Many Fingers (Sedum pachyphyllum)
Sedeveria (XSedeveria 'Blue Burrito')
Kalanchoe (Kalanchoe laciniata)
Purslane (Portulaca umbraticola ColorBlastโ„ข Double Guava) (or any other variant of ornamental purslane, P. umbraticola:
Wingpod Purslane (Portulaca umbraticola)
Carpet Sedum (Sedum lineare 'Variegatum')
Graptosedum (XGraptosedum 'Bronze')
Arizona Ruby Rainbow Hedgehog Cactus (Echinocereus rigidissimus subsp. rubispinus) (my only prickly plant that has never poked me, the spines don't stick out)
Shrubby Stonecrop (Sedum dendroideum subsp. praealtum)
Jenny's Stonecrop (Petrosedum rupestre subsp. rupestre 'Blue Spruce')
Scarlet Kleinia (Kleinia fulgens)
Graptosedum (XGraptosedum 'Francesco Baldi')
Florist Kalanchoe (Kalanchoe blossfeldiana)
Purple Heart (Tradescantia pallida)
Sedum (Sedum kimnachii)
Sedeveria (XSedeveria Sorrentoโ„ข)
Mother of Thousands (Kalanchoe delagoensis)
Watch Chain Plant (Crassula muscosa)
Panda Plant (Kalanchoe tomentosa)
Marnier's Kalanchoe (Kalanchoe marnieriana)
Lavender Scallops (Kalanchoe fedtschenkoi)
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Aug 1, 2022 2:17 PM CST
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Quite an extensive list Tiffany that I will be going over after I finish here. Thank you for the effort to compile it for me........ Coincidentally enough I just bought a Rainbow Cactus this year. I was going to transfer it out of its nursery pot, but the heat went into the triple digits and I thought better of disturbing it. And don't worry, I always try and harden off all my indoor plants as they transition from inside to outside.......Here's a picture of the decorative outer pot that a liner pot with the plant will go into. I haven't found an annual or a perennial that stays looking nice from spring to fall that does well here. I thought about a C&S, which may actually like fast drainage and won't require a rich fertile soil to look decent..............And thank you again for your suggestions.....Maryl
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Aug 1, 2022 5:59 PM CST
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Good luck on whichever plant you will try. Usually I prefer to try new plants or get cuttings in Spring, so I have 3 months cool sun temps, so by the time the scorching temps of summer comes around, the new plants may have already acclimated, new cuttings rooted. If it is still new, better to position only in part sun, or find a way to install a screen protection. Once temps hit 90F and higher, many succulents shut down and are just in heat survival mode, waiting for the more amiable temps range of 65F to 80F return in Fall.
It is a learning curve, finding out which ones behave like alpine/desert/tropical succulents. Many are indeed drought tolerant, but excessive heat endurance will be trial and error, influenced too by humidity levels and rainfall in your area.
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Aug 1, 2022 7:32 PM CST
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I'm in Zone 7a in north central Texas about 50 miles east of Abilene, so I'm guessing the parameters you have outlined are something I'm familiar with. The heat and sun all day are no joke and sometimes and some years plants have trouble coping. I'm going to list and illustrate with some photos of some that manage the conditions pretty well.

First one I thought of was the Paper Spine cactus that Thijs suggested. I took it out of the sun this year and relocated it to hanging under an oak tree where it still gets blasted by the sun and endures a lot of heat, but not quite as much. The reason for the move was how easy the growth detaches from the plant. Last year something was removing and carrying off all the new growth. So far the move has kept that from reoccurring. I don't know the nature of the thief - bird, squirrel, rat, possum or what. Here's a photo of Tephrocactus articulatis this morning. Those spiny appendages are like little strips of paper.
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I'm going to suggest Mammillaria plumosa. I'm finding most of the cacti with a dense cover of white spines manage pretty well in the sun. I'm thinking the white reflects some of the hot sun away from the plant. M. plumosa is pettable. If it hides wicked spines in the feathery covering, I've never managed to get pricked by it. Mine has just sat there this year ?? but seems perfectly healthy.
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Here's a succulent. I believe it's Sedum album. It hitchhiked in year before last hiding in another plant. Others may warn you off, but so far growing it is a pleasure. It's hanging from a tree limb now, but when it was tiny after I pulled it out the plant it came with, I kept it in a tiny 1.5" plastic container in all day sun. It should have cooked many times over because I'd forget it for weeks. It would get bone dry and the wind would blow the pot around. Occasionally it fell out and when I'd notice I take the hard root ball and put it back in and give it some water. I tried to hold it in place with stones, but the wind here competes well with those kinds of efforts so the process was repeated. When fall came I put it in a 4" container, but I still kept forgetting it so when winter was in full blast it was down in the teens F when I remembered. Nothing has fazed it. This spring I repotted it and hung from a tree limb and this is what it's done with a bit of care. I'm enjoying it a lot. This morning:
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Another succulent. This is one of the Medusa type Euphorbias. I think either E. esculenta or E. inermis. One arm had tiny yellow blooms this year which might clear that up, but I haven't checked. I've grown this in all day sun. It did fine, but the side which faces the south track of the sun turned dark. I rotated it, but it would still tint up where the sun was blasting on it. I moved it and it's hanging under an oak tree simply because I prefer the greener look. I also gave it a bit larger pot. Baja said for several seasons that it looked underpotted. I think the growth was being held back maybe, but it stayed healthy. It's grown this summer with the extra room.
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This is Parodia leninghausii, commonly sold as 'Golden Ball Cactus' (it was a ball when first purchased). It's not really spiny. More like coarse, gold hair. I've had it a long time. I've actually managed to acuire two more one of which was sold under another name that was a synonym. I've grown this one for a few years now and it has managed everything except a hail event quite well and even that wasn't a major setback. It's growing in an 8" container now, but it started out in a 6" clay pot for several seasons. I try not to leave it out when it's going to freeze, but it's been exposed to the upper range of the 20sF a couple of times without any ill effects.
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I could show you some more that have spines, many of which are minimal and some I consider manageable simply because there's no need to be handling the plant and they go a long time before they need repotting. If you'd like to see those, I'll do it. As an example I'm going to show you one of them. One you possibly could leave outdoors all winter if the container could handle freezing temps. That would be Escobaria sneedii. Mine is in a stone container which is fairly heavy. The sun and heat apparently mean nothing to this plant. If the cold is extreme I'll move it where it has some protection and I've covered it when it's cold and wet just to keep it dry. Sometimes that covering has occurred after it's already gotten pretty wet from rain or snow, but it kept it from being continually drenched. The cavity in the stone is prox. like a 6" container.
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Aug 2, 2022 9:24 AM CST
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Maryl, I'm happy to share what I've observed over the years. : ) About half of my pots with C/S have ground dirt at this point. I don't know the drought tolerance of most of them, I water all of my plants every 2-3 days if they haven't been rained on, except Sedum praeltum. I have a pot of that (ground dirt) that's sitting on my water meter so people don't drive over it and I've done nothing since May except glance at it a few times. So that definitely have some tolerance for dry soil, for at least as long as 2 weeks without a drink. Best luck!

Donald, those are great looking plants!
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Aug 2, 2022 2:30 PM CST
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Thank you Donald for the wonderful pictures. I'm going to look into the Euphorbias in particular since the decorative type, such as annual Diamond Frost, does so well for me (not to mention the weedy spotted spurge in my yard). Your picture of yours is enabling. Does it stay upright?...I too grow the Mammillaria plumosa. It does take some hot late afternoon sun currently, but I don't want to subject it to full sun as it's one of my favorites and I wouldn't want to loose it. I've grown a couple other MPs and noticed that the "feather" color can vary in whiteness. This one is very white.......But I digress. I grew roses for many many years, so I'm over thorns, spines, prickles or anything that will stab me (no Agaves for instance). A draping succulent may also not be what I want since it might obscure the design on the pot which is why I bought it. I know, I sound like Martha Stewart..........Ah, Tiffany watering. Since I have a passion for so many different types of plants, C&S have to go with the flow when I'm out there watering, which is why I keep tinkering with their gritty mix. I try to do right by them and hit them with only a spritz as I pass by with the hose, but in the end it's over a hundred degrees out there and I've been doing this for over a month with more to come so it's survival of the fittest.......In the end I will be able to look at all these marvelous suggestions from you all over winter so I appreciate all of the effort you all are making with them. Thank you..............Maryl
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Aug 2, 2022 3:54 PM CST
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The ones I suggested should not be hard to find. I don't know how to find hard to find plants. ; )

I killed a lot of them when I first started under a mistaken assumption that because they were called a succulent, that they wanted to have desert/drought conditions. Many succulent plants are as thirsty as a rose and will just die if they don't get enough water, often enough. A lot of this depends on the high temps, low temps, amount of exposure, type of soil, clay vs. impermeable pot, so many variables. I'm sure you'll find some plants that get along well with you and your gorgeous pot. Have fun!
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Aug 2, 2022 5:51 PM CST
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Does the Medusa type Euphorbia stay upright? If that's what you are asking, it's very stiff, so it spreads the arms out with an upright tilt. It's always just as seen in the photo. It doesn't get lax and lie down, nor is it perpendicular growth. The arms are more like petals from a central hub. The arms live a long time. Occasionally one will turn yellow and dry up. Always an older, lower arm - and not very often. I think if the plant survives long enough, there might be a caudex visible - sort of a Sago Palm effect on a smaller scale.
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It is an attractive plant.

One of those medusas (and Donald's is a nice fatty) will eventually grow to fill a 10 or 12 inch pot, if you let it. (Which is also true of at least some M. plumosas, for what it's worth.)



That's not to say you can't get plenty of enjoyment out of it (years) before it becomes too big for a 6 inch pot. I have one in a 6 inch pot right now, actually.

There are smaller medusas (Euphorbias with the same general body plan) but I have no idea how heat tolerant they might be.
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Hello MaryL,
That pot is really cute!
The conditions you describe will be very difficult for any plant you put in there. If live plants don't work out, I suggest looking into a piece of "metal sculpture yard art". They can take the heat and the cold, don't need shade nor water, and don't need extra light indoors in the winter. Some are made to look like agave or cactus, but without the thorns. Lots of very cute sculptures are available!
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Baja: Thank you for the picture. It further enables me to look into this plant (and other Euphorbias). Any C&S growing too large is academic. The usual killer of my C&S is in the overwintering process. Gro lights and my hit or miss watering doesn't suite some. The C&S that survive are those I tend to repeat buy. I successfully grew a Firesticks Pencil cactus (Euphorbia Tirucalli) years ago, so there is hope with Euphorbia.....Thank you Donald for the further description. It is what I needed to know. I'm not stuck on Euphorbia btw, and will look at other plants as well this winter......Ms.Doe. I hadn't thought of metal. That would be cute if I could get the right one. I'll take a spin around etsy. If you have a source for some you like, pass it on........Maryl

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